Comments on: Design Ethics – What Wouldn’t you design for? http://www.andrewkelsall.com/what-who-wouldnt-design-for/ Graphic Design Blog of Andrew Kelsall Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:27:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Leonhttp://www.andrewkelsall.com/what-who-wouldnt-design-for/comment-page-1/#comment-12153 Leon Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:35:10 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=1800#comment-12153 Interesting that none of these designers brought up design contests, but I guess that goes without saying. I could relate to a few of them myself. Interesting that none of these designers brought up design contests, but I guess that goes without saying. I could relate to a few of them myself.

]]> By: nidohttp://www.andrewkelsall.com/what-who-wouldnt-design-for/comment-page-1/#comment-8448 nido Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:57:32 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=1800#comment-8448 "I thought that if you’re a designer, you would design anything for anyone (within reason) because it’s your job."This "experiment" kinda died for me the moment you said "(within reason)"... you had your answer already even while you continued to sound shocked...?but nonetheless.. I would not design for my cousins... again. They don't pay.. AT ALL!.. and then they tell all your other cousins you did it for free and worked like a dog. “I thought that if you’re a designer, you would design anything for anyone (within reason) because it’s your job.”

This “experiment” kinda died for me the moment you said “(within reason)”… you had your answer already even while you continued to sound shocked…?

but nonetheless.. I would not design for my cousins… again. They don’t pay.. AT ALL!.. and then they tell all your other cousins you did it for free and worked like a dog.

]]> By: Ryan Murphyhttp://www.andrewkelsall.com/what-who-wouldnt-design-for/comment-page-1/#comment-8444 Ryan Murphy Mon, 14 Feb 2011 04:16:13 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=1800#comment-8444 Naturally, as a student, I take on as many jobs paid or unpaid as I can get my hands on. These being primarily from friends, or via friends.From the little experience I have of these situations I have found as long as from the outset you make it clear that the relationship in the particular context is proffesional then they tend not to treat it too casually. Of course this differs friend to friend, but if they do mess you around. You should probably question if they are a good friend to you, instead of a good client.As for ethical products, I would almost be enticed by slightly taboo industrties, to try and shed some new light onto it. Its very easy to look down on industries, i know i do, but if you were to take a step back and consider any potential pro's of it, besides the money, then you could find a valuable gap in the market.Also it would look far more impressive on a Portfolio if you have work that could potentially transform a 'negative' industry. Naturally, as a student, I take on as many jobs paid or unpaid as I can get my hands on. These being primarily from friends, or via friends.

From the little experience I have of these situations I have found as long as from the outset you make it clear that the relationship in the particular context is proffesional then they tend not to treat it too casually. Of course this differs friend to friend, but if they do mess you around. You should probably question if they are a good friend to you, instead of a good client.

As for ethical products, I would almost be enticed by slightly taboo industrties, to try and shed some new light onto it. Its very easy to look down on industries, i know i do, but if you were to take a step back and consider any potential pro’s of it, besides the money, then you could find a valuable gap in the market.

Also it would look far more impressive on a Portfolio if you have work that could potentially transform a ‘negative’ industry.

]]> By: Andrew Kelsallhttp://www.andrewkelsall.com/what-who-wouldnt-design-for/comment-page-1/#comment-8441 Andrew Kelsall Mon, 14 Feb 2011 00:53:49 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=1800#comment-8441 <strong>Juliana →</strong> Yeah, me too!<strong>Ash →</strong> Thanks for sharing your story on the matter. We all live and learn... Juliana → Yeah, me too!

Ash → Thanks for sharing your story on the matter. We all live and learn…

]]> By: Ash Menonhttp://www.andrewkelsall.com/what-who-wouldnt-design-for/comment-page-1/#comment-6780 Ash Menon Fri, 03 Dec 2010 10:06:34 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=1800#comment-6780 One of the first few jobs I got as a freelancer during my college days was to design a logo. The contact was through a mutual friend of my mom's, and I was excited to begin.As I progressed through the project, it became clear to me that hiring me wasn't about quality, it was about satisfying the manager's beliefs, of positive discrimination. In one conversation he mentioned that there was another designer that they were considering, work-wise, in comparison to my work, for a separate project. The work quality was about the same, according to them. They then implied that the reason I got the job (and that the other designer didn't) was because of my race.To this day I am not proud of this, and I nearly walked out of the job. But I needed the work, and the portfolio, and I stuck it out. Now in my career, I'd definitely say no to that. One of the first few jobs I got as a freelancer during my college days was to design a logo. The contact was through a mutual friend of my mom’s, and I was excited to begin.

As I progressed through the project, it became clear to me that hiring me wasn’t about quality, it was about satisfying the manager’s beliefs, of positive discrimination. In one conversation he mentioned that there was another designer that they were considering, work-wise, in comparison to my work, for a separate project. The work quality was about the same, according to them. They then implied that the reason I got the job (and that the other designer didn’t) was because of my race.

To this day I am not proud of this, and I nearly walked out of the job. But I needed the work, and the portfolio, and I stuck it out. Now in my career, I’d definitely say no to that.

]]> By: Julianahttp://www.andrewkelsall.com/what-who-wouldnt-design-for/comment-page-1/#comment-6723 Juliana Wed, 24 Nov 2010 12:16:30 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=1800#comment-6723 I would never design for a cigarette company I would never design for a cigarette company

]]> By: What Wouldn’t you design for? | Speckyboy Design Magazinehttp://www.andrewkelsall.com/what-who-wouldnt-design-for/comment-page-1/#comment-6722 What Wouldn’t you design for? | Speckyboy Design Magazine Wed, 24 Nov 2010 09:04:54 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=1800#comment-6722 [...] Direct Link [...] [...] Direct Link [...]

]]> By: zabox.nethttp://www.andrewkelsall.com/what-who-wouldnt-design-for/comment-page-1/#comment-6662 zabox.net Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:25:39 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=1800#comment-6662 <strong>What Wouldn't you design for? Opinions from Jacob Cass, David Airey, Liam McKay, Chris Spooner and Rob Cubbon | Andrew Kelsall | Creative Designer...</strong>Would you would design anything for anyone because its your job? This article details the opinions of some top Graphic Designs on the design ethics issue.... What Wouldn’t you design for? Opinions from Jacob Cass, David Airey, Liam McKay, Chris Spooner and Rob Cubbon | Andrew Kelsall | Creative Designer…

Would you would design anything for anyone because its your job? This article details the opinions of some top Graphic Designs on the design ethics issue….

]]> By: Andrew Kelsallhttp://www.andrewkelsall.com/what-who-wouldnt-design-for/comment-page-1/#comment-6506 Andrew Kelsall Thu, 21 Oct 2010 19:54:05 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=1800#comment-6506 <strong>@Omar </strong> → Spell-checkers don't catch everything, though, but I know what you're getting at.<strong>@Nadja</strong> → I know exactly what you mean. Family friends? Worst."clients". Ever.<strong>@Judy</strong> → Well, I can agree with that!Thanks all for commenting... @Omar → Spell-checkers don’t catch everything, though, but I know what you’re getting at.

@Nadja → I know exactly what you mean. Family friends? Worst.”clients”. Ever.

@Judy → Well, I can agree with that!

Thanks all for commenting…

]]> By: Judy Fraryhttp://www.andrewkelsall.com/what-who-wouldnt-design-for/comment-page-1/#comment-6140 Judy Frary Wed, 07 Jul 2010 11:46:45 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=1800#comment-6140 I'm very glad to see there are more designers out there with a social concious and not just thinking about the money.Personally, I wouldn't design for unhealthy/unethical food companies, particularly if their product is aimed towards children. I’m very glad to see there are more designers out there with a social concious and not just thinking about the money.

Personally, I wouldn’t design for unhealthy/unethical food companies, particularly if their product is aimed towards children.

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