Comments on: The Professional Designer’s Guide to using Black http://www.andrewkelsall.com/the-professional-designers-guide-to-using-black/ Graphic Design Blog of Andrew Kelsall, Creative Designer of Logos, Posters and signage in Hemsworth, South Elmsall and Worldwide Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:53:10 +0000 hourly 1 By: Louiss http://www.andrewkelsall.com/the-professional-designers-guide-to-using-black/comment-page-2/#comment-6301 Louiss Fri, 27 Aug 2010 11:17:59 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=867#comment-6301 Thnx for this great article! Bookmarked it for sure:-) Thnx for this great article! Bookmarked it for sure:-)

]]> By: Andrew Kelsall http://www.andrewkelsall.com/the-professional-designers-guide-to-using-black/comment-page-2/#comment-6296 Andrew Kelsall Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:06:02 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=867#comment-6296 <strong>@raym</strong> → No worries. <strong>@Darlene</strong> → I already have done, it's about the 6th image down, named "Flat Black" :) @raym → No worries.

@Darlene → I already have done, it’s about the 6th image down, named “Flat Black” :)

]]> By: darlene http://www.andrewkelsall.com/the-professional-designers-guide-to-using-black/comment-page-2/#comment-6292 darlene Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:14:18 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=867#comment-6292 can you send me a picture of what cmyk 0/0/0/100 looks like?that would be a big help to me.thank you and god bless! can you send me a picture of what cmyk 0/0/0/100 looks like?that would be a big help to me.thank you and god bless!

]]> By: raym http://www.andrewkelsall.com/the-professional-designers-guide-to-using-black/comment-page-2/#comment-6242 raym Thu, 05 Aug 2010 13:07:21 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=867#comment-6242 I'm staying on the web...my brain hurts now. Thanks for the education. I’m staying on the web…my brain hurts now. Thanks for the education.
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]]> By: Andrew Kelsall http://www.andrewkelsall.com/the-professional-designers-guide-to-using-black/comment-page-2/#comment-6238 Andrew Kelsall Tue, 03 Aug 2010 22:34:55 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=867#comment-6238 Thanks everyone for commenting :) <strong>@Trissy </strong> → To be honest, the printers I use never have a problem with my designs. Some of my work has gone over 300% before, but any good printer should have UCR included in their print process's I think. Dont quote me on this, but I think UCR (under colour removal) software is supposed to automatically sort this out in the pre-print stages. Although, sometimes I have just "cheated" by overlaying a white layer in photoshop set to about 5% opacity to knock down the TAC. I don't know if this is recommended, but it's worked for me. As for the black/brown/sepia montage, I'd create a tri-tone image and then convert to CMYK, or just use alpha channels, although, there's many ways to do this; most of which I don't know about - PS has way too many options. Hope this helps... Thanks everyone for commenting :)

@Trissy → To be honest, the printers I use never have a problem with my designs. Some of my work has gone over 300% before, but any good printer should have UCR included in their print process’s I think. Dont quote me on this, but I think UCR (under colour removal) software is supposed to automatically sort this out in the pre-print stages.

Although, sometimes I have just “cheated” by overlaying a white layer in photoshop set to about 5% opacity to knock down the TAC. I don’t know if this is recommended, but it’s worked for me.

As for the black/brown/sepia montage, I’d create a tri-tone image and then convert to CMYK, or just use alpha channels, although, there’s many ways to do this; most of which I don’t know about – PS has way too many options.

Hope this helps…

]]> By: Trissy http://www.andrewkelsall.com/the-professional-designers-guide-to-using-black/comment-page-2/#comment-6237 Trissy Tue, 03 Aug 2010 22:20:18 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=867#comment-6237 This is great Andrew but I still have a question. (please help, I'm going mad and can't sleep). I have a digital photo (originally RGB) that I've converted to greyscale and then to CMYK in Photoshop but the print guy says there's too much colour in the black areas for printing. Some parts are nearly 100C, 100M, 100Y & 100K!!! How do I desaturate the black areas using Photoshop? I've tried using the 'Image/Adjustments/Desaturate' function but the eyedropper still says the dark areas have a TAC of over 300%. Is there anything automatic the printer can run to fix this? Eventually I want to end up with a warm black/brown/sepia montage for a CD cover. Many thanks for any help you can give me - please feel free to PM me. Trissy This is great Andrew but I still have a question. (please help, I’m going mad and can’t sleep). I have a digital photo (originally RGB) that I’ve converted to greyscale and then to CMYK in Photoshop but the print guy says there’s too much colour in the black areas for printing. Some parts are nearly 100C, 100M, 100Y & 100K!!! How do I desaturate the black areas using Photoshop? I’ve tried using the ‘Image/Adjustments/Desaturate’ function but the eyedropper still says the dark areas have a TAC of over 300%. Is there anything automatic the printer can run to fix this? Eventually I want to end up with a warm black/brown/sepia montage for a CD cover. Many thanks for any help you can give me – please feel free to PM me. Trissy

]]> By: Dwayne - graphic designer http://www.andrewkelsall.com/the-professional-designers-guide-to-using-black/comment-page-2/#comment-6033 Dwayne - graphic designer Sat, 15 May 2010 19:13:13 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=867#comment-6033 I have been using rich black for some time now. I will try to implement the -design black - mix when I get a chance. I haven't had any issues yet that I know of but I may need to research the overprinting of black. I have been using rich black for some time now. I will try to implement the -design black – mix when I get a chance. I haven’t had any issues yet that I know of but I may need to research the overprinting of black.

]]> By: zabox.net http://www.andrewkelsall.com/the-professional-designers-guide-to-using-black/comment-page-2/#comment-5980 zabox.net Mon, 03 May 2010 19:26:42 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=867#comment-5980 <strong>The Professional Designers Guide to using Black...</strong> The aim of this article is to document every conceivable type of black that is destined for print and web. It is my aim that if you are a designer, you can find some information here that you didn’t know―and if you are learning about design, I hope you...

The Professional Designers Guide to using Black…

The aim of this article is to document every conceivable type of black that is destined for print and web. It is my aim that if you are a designer, you can find some information here that you didn’t know―and if you are learning about design, I hope you…

]]> By: Rob http://www.andrewkelsall.com/the-professional-designers-guide-to-using-black/comment-page-2/#comment-5863 Rob Thu, 25 Mar 2010 00:35:09 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=867#comment-5863 HI I work for a large player in the print industry. Most of my work is in spot some CMYK. Most if not all color process is supplied files. From my end it seems most graphic houses have no idea what is required to go to press. One reason I was reading your artcle. We recieve many files in RGB and they are not acceptable as supplied an rgb black must be converted to a spot black is there a direct method to do this ie the The text normally comes out some place around 87% black screen and then changed further to 100% black and screens you take a guess at what they want. If ther is a second color ie 347 green then you do the same to any RGB that appears as green. We get colour process orders in RGB and reject them as we do not know what the customer is looking for - the difference when converted to CMYK could result in an error. HI
I work for a large player in the print industry. Most of my work is in spot some CMYK. Most if not all color process is supplied files. From my end it seems most graphic houses have no idea what is required to go to press.
One reason I was reading your artcle. We recieve many files in RGB and they are not acceptable as supplied an rgb black must be converted to a spot black is there a direct method to do this ie the The text normally comes out some place around 87% black screen and then changed further to 100% black and screens you take a guess at what they want. If ther is a second color ie 347 green then you do the same to any RGB that appears as green.
We get colour process orders in RGB and reject them as we do not know what the customer is looking for – the difference when converted to CMYK could result in an error.

]]> By: David http://www.andrewkelsall.com/the-professional-designers-guide-to-using-black/comment-page-2/#comment-5811 David Wed, 10 Mar 2010 03:18:48 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=867#comment-5811 Its incredible the amount of time that must have been put into making this resource. Its much appreciated! Its incredible the amount of time that must have been put into making this resource. Its much appreciated!

]]> By: vin http://www.andrewkelsall.com/the-professional-designers-guide-to-using-black/comment-page-2/#comment-5787 vin Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:24:12 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=867#comment-5787 Wow. I never thought there are lots of blacks to choose from. Maybe I'm focusing too much on web design. (rgb black all the way! lol) Anyway, thanks for the really comprehensive article Andrew! I'm bookmarking this for future reference. Wow. I never thought there are lots of blacks to choose from. Maybe I’m focusing too much on web design. (rgb black all the way! lol)

Anyway, thanks for the really comprehensive article Andrew! I’m bookmarking this for future reference.

]]> By: Logo Design Process for BlueDrift Pottery | Andrew Kelsall | Graphic Designer http://www.andrewkelsall.com/the-professional-designers-guide-to-using-black/comment-page-2/#comment-5780 Logo Design Process for BlueDrift Pottery | Andrew Kelsall | Graphic Designer Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:57:21 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=867#comment-5780 [...] ◥ For the B+W version of the logo, I chose Pantone Black U. For more information about other Pantone® Black choices, you may want to take a look at my article The Professional Designer’s Guide to using Black. [...]

[...] ◥ For the B+W version of the logo, I chose Pantone Black U. For more information about other Pantone® Black choices, you may want to take a look at my article The Professional Designer’s Guide to using Black. [...]

]]> By: Design That Rocks http://www.andrewkelsall.com/the-professional-designers-guide-to-using-black/comment-page-2/#comment-5767 Design That Rocks Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:49:42 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=867#comment-5767 Hey Andrew....what a great post! Love the info and is a great resource compilation. Keep up the great work. Hey Andrew….what a great post! Love the info and is a great resource compilation. Keep up the great work.

]]> By: Adam Wilson http://www.andrewkelsall.com/the-professional-designers-guide-to-using-black/comment-page-2/#comment-5766 Adam Wilson Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:13:16 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=867#comment-5766 Wow, and I thought I knew about the black (see my website name). This was a great and informative post, I learned a few things. One thing I have to add though if you often do get conflicting advice from different printers, and they're both usually right on their own equipment. Have faith in them. Thanks, I'm going to read more of these now. Wow, and I thought I knew about the black (see my website name). This was a great and informative post, I learned a few things.

One thing I have to add though if you often do get conflicting advice from different printers, and they’re both usually right on their own equipment. Have faith in them.

Thanks, I’m going to read more of these now.

]]> By: dotRUN http://www.andrewkelsall.com/the-professional-designers-guide-to-using-black/comment-page-2/#comment-5765 dotRUN Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:55:56 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=867#comment-5765 Great article - have tweeted about it as I think it's a really comprehensive and informative article on the colour black and should help a lot of designers out there. Thanks for sharing :-) Great article – have tweeted about it as I think it’s a really comprehensive and informative article on the colour black and should help a lot of designers out there. Thanks for sharing :-)

]]> By: Chris Pollard http://www.andrewkelsall.com/the-professional-designers-guide-to-using-black/comment-page-2/#comment-5743 Chris Pollard Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:41:12 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=867#comment-5743 Great info. Our Little Black Book supports much of the detail here. Keep up the good work!! .-= Chris Pollard´s last blog ..<a href="http://dayfold.wordpress.com/2010/01/27/course-is-fine/" rel="nofollow">COURSE is fine!!??!!</a> =-. Great info. Our Little Black Book supports much of the detail here.
Keep up the good work!!
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]]> By: FUZEDOT.COM http://www.andrewkelsall.com/the-professional-designers-guide-to-using-black/comment-page-2/#comment-5712 FUZEDOT.COM Sun, 17 Jan 2010 08:23:26 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=867#comment-5712 HERE IS A QUICK VIDEO ON HOW TO SET UP A RICH BLACK IN ILLUSTRATOR http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zhr-XiKhGs HERE IS A QUICK VIDEO ON HOW TO SET UP A RICH BLACK IN ILLUSTRATOR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zhr-XiKhGs

]]> By: The graphic designers guide to black | Andrew Keir - Logo designer, web designer, graphic designer. http://www.andrewkelsall.com/the-professional-designers-guide-to-using-black/comment-page-2/#comment-5701 The graphic designers guide to black | Andrew Keir - Logo designer, web designer, graphic designer. Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:08:26 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=867#comment-5701 [...] designer Andrew Kelsall recently posted a designers guide to using black over at his U.K. based graphic design blog. The aim of this article is to document every [...]

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]]> By: designfloat.com http://www.andrewkelsall.com/the-professional-designers-guide-to-using-black/comment-page-2/#comment-5622 designfloat.com Wed, 23 Dec 2009 11:29:22 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=867#comment-5622 <strong>The Professional Designers Guide to using Black | RGB, CMYK, Rich, Cool and Pantone Black...</strong> Well, any professional designer will tell you that this is not the case regarding the color black in the printing process (if you would like to research......

The Professional Designers Guide to using Black | RGB, CMYK, Rich, Cool and Pantone Black…

Well, any professional designer will tell you that this is not the case regarding the color black in the printing process (if you would like to research……

]]> By: InDesignSecrets » Blog Archive » This Week in InDesign Articles, Number 17 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/the-professional-designers-guide-to-using-black/comment-page-2/#comment-5613 InDesignSecrets » Blog Archive » This Week in InDesign Articles, Number 17 Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:31:28 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=867#comment-5613 [...] uses black… but which black?! Check out this great article by Andrew Kelsall about the use and misuse of [...]

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]]> By: aravind http://www.andrewkelsall.com/the-professional-designers-guide-to-using-black/comment-page-2/#comment-5594 aravind Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:00:14 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=867#comment-5594 wow Andrew! This is so excellent. Really a great reference for future. I think you should write a book about this. Something like - Designers Guide to using Colors .-= aravind´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheDesignSuperhero/~3/HMddqtgGWxQ/" rel="nofollow">The 35 Coolest Twitter Backgrounds</a> =-. wow Andrew! This is so excellent. Really a great reference for future.
I think you should write a book about this. Something like – Designers Guide to using Colors
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]]> By: Rhonda http://www.andrewkelsall.com/the-professional-designers-guide-to-using-black/comment-page-2/#comment-5590 Rhonda Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:09:39 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=867#comment-5590 Wow, so much information was covered! A well done article. .-= Rhonda´s last blog ..<a href="http://www.small-business-graphic-design.com/business-card-paper.html" rel="nofollow">Dec 3, Business Card Paper: Where To Find It</a> =-. Wow, so much information was covered! A well done article.
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]]> By: Total Logo Design Process for Edit Websites | PDF Proofs & Design Work | Andrew Kelsall | Graphic Designer http://www.andrewkelsall.com/the-professional-designers-guide-to-using-black/comment-page-2/#comment-5551 Total Logo Design Process for Edit Websites | PDF Proofs & Design Work | Andrew Kelsall | Graphic Designer Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:21:31 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=867#comment-5551 [...] The Professional Designers Guide to using Black [...]

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]]> By: Louisa Nicholson http://www.andrewkelsall.com/the-professional-designers-guide-to-using-black/comment-page-2/#comment-5481 Louisa Nicholson Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:55:54 +0000 http://www.andrewkelsall.com/?p=867#comment-5481 Loved the article - had to refer to different blacks for printing quickly and this article did the job. Cheers! Loved the article – had to refer to different blacks for printing quickly and this article did the job. Cheers!

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